JHM...Where are you?

[ENVē]

I am wondering this....

I notice that JHM makes a lot of what look like high quality parts for B6/B7 line of Audis. Any reason that they are only making a STS kit for our car and no motor parts? Im very surprised at this. I know a few kids who have all JHM on their B7s and the products look great.

Someone chime in and just let me know if they have heard of JHM making any future products for our B8s

[DTMOOOO]

I know jhm plans to start working with the b8 platform in the future but currently they have so much on their plate in turns of getting their supercharger Kits fully released, and moving to their newer facility that i don't believe they have done much even in terms of research for you guys
Which is a bit disappointing because of how good the tune of the v8 is and how quality and affordable most of the products are

[ENVē]

Steve,

I know man lol. Makes me wonder if I should be holding off on performance lol

[Joey]

JHM usually develops most of their parts on an in-house car that goes through extensive testing before the product is released to the public. I.E they used Jay's B6 S4 to develop just about everything that is available to the community for that platform (even the SC, etc). You are now seeing a lot of work being done with the RS4 because Dan has one that they can work with.

Hopefully when they get their hands on a B8 S4 you will see a lot more parts in development.

[beemercer]

Yeah may be a while:

B6 S4
-B6 S4 built motor program is still awhile out
-Transmission program for TIPs
-Stg 2 and 3 kits for the JHM S4 blower
-Built head program
-Twin turbo setup

B7 RS4
-More tuning revision
-Supercharger kit
-Oil cooler kit

B6 A4 3.0
-Tune
-Tranny program
-LWFW and clutch
-Downpipes
-LW rotors
-LWCP

B8 S5
-Clutch and LWFW
-LW rotors
-Headers
-Catback
-Tune
-LWCP
-Supercharger


All of that is going on right now, so really the only thing that may transfer over is the clutch and flywheel setup from the S5.

[sakimano]

They also tend to focus on stuff that nobody else does

i.e. FMIC and shifter on the B5 - neglected parts that JHM dominated after making good solutions

They then started with the B6/7 S4...a platform that was totally neglected because the traditional audi tuners (turbo boost adders, really) like APR, GIAC etc. just flat didn't bother as it was too hard to generate performance using their turbo-car model. The B6/7 exposed how little some of these companies really know about performance modifications. It was stunning, and those companies got the fuck out of dodge as fast as possible after that spotlight was on them.

JHM figured it out, and are applying those systems and ideas to the RS4 and S5...also sadly neglected and riddled with sporadic releases of underperforming parts...and even the B6 A4 3.0 as I found on audirevolution.net (that came out of leftfield...the 3.0? really? lol).

Bottom line is the B8 S4 and all the turbo cars provide low hanging fruit in the form of tune-gains from adding boost. Most of the B8 guys are buying exhausts and cats and intakes without checking that they even work first...and they barely care because they get 40hp out of their tune so the other parts get a free ride. That mentality is an awful environment to try to differentiate yourself in as a tuner, so I really don't see JHM making anything other than their shifter for the B8 S4.

[ENVē]

They also tend to focus on stuff that nobody else does

i.e. FMIC and shifter on the B5 - neglected parts that JHM dominated after making good solutions

They then started with the B6/7 S4...a platform that was totally neglected because the traditional audi tuners (turbo boost adders, really) like APR, GIAC etc. just flat didn't bother as it was too hard to generate performance using their turbo-car model. The B6/7 exposed how little some of these companies really know about performance modifications. It was stunning, and those companies got the fuck out of dodge as fast as possible after that spotlight was on them.

JHM figured it out, and are applying those systems and ideas to the RS4 and S5...also sadly neglected and riddled with sporadic releases of underperforming parts...and even the B6 A4 3.0 as I found on audirevolution.net (that came out of leftfield...the 3.0? really? lol).

Bottom line is the B8 S4 and all the turbo cars provide low hanging fruit in the form of tune-gains from adding boost. Most of the B8 guys are buying exhausts and cats and intakes without checking that they even work first...and they barely care because they get 40hp out of their tune so the other parts get a free ride. That mentality is an awful environment to try to differentiate yourself in as a tuner, so I really don't see JHM making anything other than their shifter for the B8 S4.

Saki,
I have a feeling you are a cool dude deep down in there lol. I know you have some kind of dislike for the B8 and trust me, I love my car but before purchasing I wont lie I was looking at B7 RS4s. The RS4 made no financial sense to me. (Im in the banking/finance field) It also didnt make much common sense either considering my car is just as fast stock to stock with IMO a nicer interior and more modern MMI setup. Power equality has been confirmed by RS4 owners. But you are correct about the boosted cars being low hanging fruit and people not researching exhausts, etc. I bought Miltek cause at the end of the day I believe it was the best performing out of all the others. And the butt dyno says so lol. I will be dynoing my car in a couple of weeks to see. I am tuneless as well. I am getting the JHM STS installed today so thats a start for me lol.

At the end of the day JHM is a business of car enthusiasts and what seem to be cool guys. Any car enthusiast knows the B8 S4 motor is a very nice motor that seems to have potential for big power regardless. They hopefully can put the N/A prejudice behind them and come up with better products for our B8s than what is currently offered. They would rake in a ton of money.

I have had N/A cars and to make power out of them its usually more expensive for less money so the HP:$ ratio is usually much lower. Short of the Benz C63 most tune only N/A cars dont fare too well.

Either way I love all and I mean ALL generations of S4 dating back to UrS4s. But thats just me.

And Saki, if you dont mind me asking. Why do you hate the B8 so much?

-EnVē

[imola s4]

Saki,
I have a feeling you are a cool dude deep down in there lol. I know you have some kind of dislike for the B8 and trust me, I love my car but before purchasing I wont lie I was looking at B7 RS4s. The RS4 made no financial sense to me. (Im in the banking/finance field) It also didnt make much common sense either considering my car is just as fast stock to stock with IMO a nicer interior and more modern MMI setup. Power equality has been confirmed by RS4 owners. But you are correct about the boosted cars being low hanging fruit and people not researching exhausts, etc. I bought Miltek cause at the end of the day I believe it was the best performing out of all the others. And the butt dyno says so lol. I will be dynoing my car in a couple of weeks to see. I am tuneless as well. I am getting the JHM STS installed today so thats a start for me lol.

At the end of the day JHM is a business of car enthusiasts and what seem to be cool guys. Any car enthusiast knows the B8 S4 motor is a very nice motor that seems to have potential for big power regardless. They hopefully can put the N/A prejudice behind them and come up with better products for our B8s than what is currently offered. They would rake in a ton of money.

I have had N/A cars and to make power out of them its usually more expensive for less money so the HP:$ ratio is usually much lower. Short of the Benz C63 most tune only N/A cars dont fare too well.

Either way I love all and I mean ALL generations of S4 dating back to UrS4s. But thats just me.

And Saki, if you dont mind me asking. Why do you hate the B8 so much?

-EnVē

where did he post one negative thing about the b8? all he did was say that the b8 platform tends to not do their research before purchasing products. he did the same with the b6/7 platform and continues to do so...but that does not mean he has a hatred to that platform.

and he has a point: the b8 guys should question and research the products prior. if it weren't for guys like him all us b6/7 guys would be buying e90 blowers thinking our cars are rocketships

[ENVē]

LOL true. Im one of the guys that tries my best to research. Thats why I dont have a tune yet. I got JHMs SS kit last week. I may habe to adjust it a little more but its awesome. And its not that Ski ever really directly says stuff but his general comments seem to be in the direction of not liking the B8. Almost like he doesnt like FI cars only NA. Or it could be the drivers. Im not biased I think all models of all manufacturers have dickhead brainless drivers lol but I think my B8 is a prety solid platform and if it wasnt for the B5 and the B7 I wouldve never considered an Audi.

[sakimano]

LOL true. Im one of the guys that tries my best to research. Thats why I dont have a tune yet. I got JHMs SS kit last week. I may habe to adjust it a little more but its awesome. And its not that Ski ever really directly says stuff but his general comments seem to be in the direction of not liking the B8. Almost like he doesnt like FI cars only NA. Or it could be the drivers. Im not biased I think all models of all manufacturers have dickhead brainless drivers lol but I think my B8 is a prety solid platform and if it wasnt for the B5 and the B7 I wouldve never considered an Audi.

definitely the drivers. Most B8 guys are cool guys with great cars. Some B8 guys are insecure fucking morons who don't know the first thing about their own car, let alone any others. That's the same with every platform though, not the B8 alone. Because I engage these morons and set the record straight in the open forum, I'm deemed a platform hater lol. I do the same with B5 S4, B6/7 S4, B7 RS4 owners etc. I guess I hate all of those platforms too? Or am I just setting the record straight with my opinion? Very different.

ballzdeep - do yourself a favour. Be your own man. Make your own opinion based on facts. You want to call me a hater? Find ANYTHING i've posted here or anywhere where I said I hate the B8 or have said anything bad about it for that matter. All I've ever said was that I don't like the tapered rear end styling, and I like the sound of a V8 better than a 6. So, go ahead...I'll give you a month. I should tell you, I've given this challenge to about 10 of your B8 driving compadres, and haven't heard back from ANY of them.

[ENVē]

LOL as I answered you in the PM, It is difficult to do a true comprehension when just reading a text lol. I just notice a lot of times when things were written about the B8 advancing you would let it be known (with facts) that some better things could be done. Im not calling you a "hater" per se. I also agree with you 100% on the V8 sounding better than a SC V6 or any V6 for that matter. Sans GT-R with exhaust... and even then a C63 with exhaust sounds better IMO. But like I also mentioned before. I wouldve had a B7 RS4 but I wasnt getting a better deal on a car someone else farted in than one that I was the first person to own hahaha. I agree with many of your posts Saki and I like the fact that you always have good information to back it up but what I believe the reason people have the misconception of you that you believe the B7 is the ultimate car is because of how they interpret what you post. I dont think you think its the best car ever I just believe you love your car like all of us enthusiasts on here. Nothing wrong with that.

[sakimano]

LOL as I answered you in the PM, It is difficult to do a true comprehension when just reading a text lol. I just notice a lot of times when things were written about the B8 advancing you would let it be known (with facts) that some better things could be done. Im not calling you a "hater" per se. I also agree with you 100% on the V8 sounding better than a SC V6 or any V6 for that matter. Sans GT-R with exhaust... and even then a C63 with exhaust sounds better IMO. But like I also mentioned before. I wouldve had a B7 RS4 but I wasnt getting a better deal on a car someone else farted in than one that I was the first person to own hahaha. I agree with many of your posts Saki and I like the fact that you always have good information to back it up but what I believe the reason people have the misconception of you that you believe the B7 is the ultimate car is because of how they interpret what you post. I dont think you think its the best car ever I just believe you love your car like all of us enthusiasts on here. Nothing wrong with that.

lol I just like my car, and really have an appreciation for what all of these cars are capable of...while the people I run afoul of in the B8 world are ONLY aware of what the B8 will do. Strike that...they're only aware of what primetime's B8 will do on race gas at his track...then assume their stock car on pump gas should be awarded the same trophy over all other platforms.

I just think it's funny when someone says something horribly un-informed and then everyone pats him on the back for it because it makes their ego feel better.

[ENVē]

lol I just like my car, and really have an appreciation for what all of these cars are capable of...while the people I run afoul of in the B8 world are ONLY aware of what the B8 will do. Strike that...they're only aware of what primetime's B8 will do on race gas at his track...then assume their stock car on pump gas should be awarded the same trophy over all other platforms.

I just think it's funny when someone says something horribly un-informed and then everyone pats him on the back for it because it makes their ego feel better.

We agree strongly on this one.

[originalspanksta]

they're only aware of what _____ will do on race gas at his track...then assume their stock car on pump gas should be awarded the same trophy over all other platforms.

Same problem with B5 S4 people for years....

[rjpeaks]

it will come OP. just have to be patient.

[sakimano]

it will come OP. just have to be patient.

nope. no it won't.

it will come if you drive a 3.0 A4, a 4.2 S5 or a 4.2 RS4 and maybe RS5 though!

[ENVē]

Saki,

You say they wont be working on our cars. Did you confirm this with JHM? I mean I cant see why they would waste their time with the RS5 its a much more limited car than our S4s and such a slow pig for its price tag. Im happy to have my choice between my car and a close friends e60 M5 (he is leaving it with me for 3 months again) than to have an RS5. If the RS5 were closer to 60k instead of 70-80 it would be worth it. M3 will still e a better all around car sans the quattro. Ihope JHM does work on the B8 cause if not there is a ton of money they are leaving on the table.

[ENVē]

nope. no it won't.

it will come if you drive a car that was orignally slow from the factory and needs all the help it can get!

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[beemercer]

Saki,

You say they wont be working on our cars. Did you confirm this with JHM? I mean I cant see why they would waste their time with the RS5 its a much more limited car than our S4s and such a slow pig for its price tag.

Honestly the guys at JHM love to prove people wrong. They'll leave the low hanging fruit for APR and other companies like that.

[sakimano]

Saki,

You say they wont be working on our cars. Did you confirm this with JHM? I mean I cant see why they would waste their time with the RS5 its a much more limited car than our S4s and such a slow pig for its price tag. Im happy to have my choice between my car and a close friends e60 M5 (he is leaving it with me for 3 months again) than to have an RS5. If the RS5 were closer to 60k instead of 70-80 it would be worth it. M3 will still e a better all around car sans the quattro. Ihope JHM does work on the B8 cause if not there is a ton of money they are leaving on the table.

I guess you just don't get it. JHM is a small company that knows performance, but doesn't want to battle a market filled with empty-headed drones who will buy any garbage that is put out there and where marketing sells vs. performance. They have had success focusing on platforms that are difficult to extract performance in the aftermarket. In other words, they bring performance to the cars where a simple boost request doesn't make you look like you know what you're doing (i.e. APR on the B8 or pretty much any forced induction car)..and where everyone has given up and moved on to other platforms. Why slug it out with half a dozen competitors for a B8 part when a) it won't matter what works best as all the crap gets bought and b) there are tons of parts to be sold for other platforms with virtually zero competition?

THe B8 S4 tuning game will be a very crowded market where lots of people will waste lots of money on very poor tunes over the next 2-3 years. If JHM does bother looking at tuning it (because they frankly don't have time) they'll wait till everyone has shown their cards. In other words, not for a few years.

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see...this is why people think B8 owners are retarded. Go do your homework on the S5, RS4 and RS5...because comments like that prove that you don't know anything about the cars you're talking shit about. Just proving that you're blind to think that forced induction cars are faster than anything. The S5 is not far from a stock B8 S4 performance wise. The RS4 is as fast if not faster. The RS5 fucking crushes a B8 S4. Jesus.

Just buy a 335 or something.

[ENVē]

I guess you just don't get it. JHM is a small company that knows performance, but doesn't want to battle a market filled with empty-headed drones who will buy any garbage that is put out there and where marketing sells vs. performance. They have had success focusing on platforms that are difficult to extract performance in the aftermarket. In other words, they bring performance to the cars where a simple boost request doesn't make you look like you know what you're doing (i.e. APR on the B8 or pretty much any forced induction car)..and where everyone has given up and moved on to other platforms. Why slug it out with half a dozen competitors for a B8 part when a) it won't matter what works best as all the crap gets bought and b) there are tons of parts to be sold for other platforms with virtually zero competition?

THe B8 S4 tuning game will be a very crowded market where lots of people will waste lots of money on very poor tunes over the next 2-3 years. If JHM does bother looking at tuning it (because they frankly don't have time) they'll wait till everyone has shown their cards. In other words, not for a few years.


see...this is why people think B8 owners are retarded. Go do your homework on the S5, RS4 and RS5...because comments like that prove that you don't know anything about the cars you're talking shit about. Just proving that you're blind to think that forced induction cars are faster than anything. The S5 is not far from a stock B8 S4 performance wise. The RS4 is as fast if not faster. The RS5 fucking crushes a B8 S4. Jesus.

Just buy a 335 or something.

LOL No thanks, I know a RS5 crushes my car but so does a m3.... but the m3 spanks an RS5 (from what I have heard. My cousin has left me his e60 M5 once again for the next 3 months and that car crushes my car lol but it is a V10 and I would take that car over any N/A Audi motor. The V10 in the S6 is not the craziest fast car but would still like to have one. No need to tell me about the 335i lol I drove one around for a weekend with JB tune.... Its decent but not my cup of tea. All I was trying to say is that I would like to have JHM work on my car because I am a fan of quality parts. If I wasnt then why wouldnt I have a bunch of other stuff on my car already? I have the money for the APR tune, pulley, cooling system, etc. But I want more stuff so the quality rises. Any car can be made fast but like I have said many times in the past. I wanted the RS4 which I believe as an amazing v8 in it plus the awd so I dont hate these cars and the RS5 is ure sex but they are heavy and slow. My car is quick but not "fast". I havent driven an Audi (stock) that ever wowed me. And people I know with even the R8 V10 say its not a viceral experience. They say its nice but doesnt feel like what they were expecting. The v10 in my cousins M5 with the Dinan changes to the ECU absolutely would shit on the entire audi lineup. Hell im pretty sure stock it would do the same. Look at the C63... That V8 is a better V8 than the B6, B7, and the S5 V8s any day of the week. Im sorry but I love ALL Audis but I call a duck a duck. If I had to choose a V8 car to have and I couldnt get my B8 I wouldve had the RS4 mostly due to the Quattro and the aesthetics. Im in the NE. But if I lived in Cali I likely wouldve had the E60 M5 that my cousin bought (was looking at it with him before he bought it) Or I wouldve gotten the C63. C63 with exhaust and tune is just pure sex in my opinion. I like the fact that JHM makes parts for your cars but they shouldnt shut themselves off to the B8 S4 just cause its FI. Make a tune that works and they will make money. Jeez Im just trying to throw them my money as I ALREADY did with the STS.

[ENVē]

and i havent heard one story where an rs4 spanked a b8 stock to stock

[sakimano]

Nobody said an RS4 would 'spank' a B8. I said it is as fast if not faster. DSG B8s are not nearly as fast as the MT6 cars. My B7 S4 with tune and full exhaust beat a stock B8 DSG car in cool weather, was only 1 car behind a DSG at the dragstrip in piping hot summer heat, and was only 2.5 cars behind a full bolt on DSG with tune, intake, HFC, catback and 18lb LW wheels. My car is basically RS4 fast.

It's just comical the B8/B5 owner delusionary similarities. B8 is the new nevar lose.

[primetime]

DSG B8s are not nearly as fast as the MT6 cars.

Yeah, if their clutch can hold all the POWER! LOL Anyway, I will disagree with that statement... until someone proves otherwise... Strip tonight... Low 70's, good BP and humidity... Will stay for bracket racing and hopefully win a few rounds so I can run when the DA is 1500ish... Should be around 2000ish when I get there...

[ENVē]

Nobody said an RS4 would 'spank' a B8. I said it is as fast if not faster. DSG B8s are not nearly as fast as the MT6 cars. My B7 S4 with tune and full exhaust beat a stock B8 DSG car in cool weather, was only 1 car behind a DSG at the dragstrip in piping hot summer heat, and was only 2.5 cars behind a full bolt on DSG with tune, intake, HFC, catback and 18lb LW wheels. My car is basically RS4 fast.

It's just comical the B8/B5 owner delusionary similarities. B8 is the new nevar lose.

LOL I wish it was nevar lose. I just thought I wouldnt lose to a stock RS4. I am not delusional, most of my friends drive faster cars than I do, I would say quite a few of my friends drive much faster cars than me. From a C63, a kid with a 2011 E63, an E60 M5 (which I am dailying right now), and a GT-R owner (my buddy just picked it up) those cars are much faster. i dont care about the speed I just feel that this platform has a shitload of potential and JHM could make "REAL" momentum on this one. Look what they do with low hanging fruit imagine if they put there mind to this platform and did the same for us?

[sakimano]

low hanging fruit means easy fruit to reach...a.k.a. APR's business plan, not JHM's.

didn't I tell you to go get a 335i?

Also, looking forward to your timeslips. I can't wait to see you run 13.35 and say 'what happened'

[ENVē]

I know what low hanging fruit means, and I just read my post and realized I lost train of thought while typing that up haha. I meant look what they do with the rare motors thqat no one pays attention to. If they pu their mind to this platform they could make them amazing. Im done modding my car for now since I am hearing a possibility that a 4.0T RS4 may make it to the states. "supposedly" this was announced and I would much rather drop my money on that. If it doesnt come maybe Ill get another car with the 4.0T from Audi.

As for the 335i you are a funny guy I would rather drive an Evo 9 than that piece of shit car. 335i is a shitbox and I have quite a few friends that owned them for 3-4 years and all say they couldnt wait to get out of them.

Im done with the pissing match Saki. I agree to disagree. People have opinions, apologies if mine does not line up with yours. You may have this misconception that I dont like the B7 platform this is incorrect. I just thought for the price I paid on my car it was a MUCH better bang for the buck machine. At the end of the day we are enthusiasts are we not? I love cars and you seem to love cars as well. I dont have one thing against the 4.2 V8 and had my choice of a B7 S4, B7 RS4, and S5.

The only point of this thread from the beginning was to just find out from a person who actually WORKS for JHM to let me know if they would ever work on this motor. That is all.

So while it has been fun having a text convo that can be misconstrued due to lack of emotional content and hard to decipher at times, we share the same beliefs.

A buddy of mine DTMOOO has what is possibly my favorite B7 and I love his car. Never had any gripes.

We can close this thread. Ill figure out a way to call JHM and get offical word from them to spread to the other boards.

And if the grapevine stories of an 4.0T RS4 coming to this country come to fruitition, I am pretty much done spending any more money on my car cause I am gonna be buying that.

[jdmnomore]

Saki at his best In this thread. I sure hope Joey didn't hope to have B8 owners consider EA cause youre doing a great job of preventing that. Also I hope JHM doesn't plan on selling any more shifters to these guys bc according to you all B8 owners are idiots and JHM doesn't think they are smart enough to recognize a good product. Or am I reading wrong?

[ENVē]

Saki at his best In this thread. I sure hope Joey didn't hope to have B8 owners consider EA cause youre doing a great job of preventing that. Also I hope JHM doesn't plan on selling any more shifters to these guys bc according to you all B8 owners are idiots and JHM doesn't think they are smart enough to recognize a good product. Or am I reading wrong?

Not sure I am reading this correctly. Not sure if you are saying you hope JHM isnt selling B8 owners anymore shifters cause we look like idiots.

And according to that little red box next to my name, I am not well respected on EA as a forum member that owns a B8..... LOL what a joke. I came here on recommendation from my buddy DTMOOO who is the type of person I respect as a B7 owner. His car is awesome. Saki (if all B7 owners are like him) makes them look like BMW tools. I sure hope you guys are more like DTMOOO. Anyway I like my non respect here its not gonna keep me from posting in other parts of this forum. Joey also seems like a cool person. Wonder if he could chime in.

[DTMOOOO]

I just read this whole thing and i understand everyone agreeing to disagree on certain things. But I mean fuck it if i wanted power I would have never gotten into an audi to begin with. I would have spent the same amount of money on my car and bought something that I wasnt happy with. Then spent the same amount of money that I did to modify my audi to have something crazy fast that I still wouldnt be completely satisfied with. But I went a different route, I can truly say I enjoy my car.
What I got from this is that Eddie is happy with his purchase of his b8, and is just looking for quality parts, thats why he bought the solid shifter and stated that its awesome so i dont understand why people are hating hard on his comments. If he wanted to increase his power he could get the APR tune which might not be the greatest tune in the long run but its whats available now, i mean come on how many people how other companies shit on there car before swithing to JHM or fucked up and bought a e90 charger before realizing it was a waste. He is just protecting himself from wasting time and money like others did in our b6/b7 platform. He obviously respects what JHM does and wants their knowledge and care for quality, testing etc brought to the B8 platform.
Its an online forum, people need to relax

[DaveD]

^Hey now, dont bash BMW guys like that! You know you're loving driving that E60 DTMOOO is a good dude, glad he brought you over here.

You just have to be patient with the S4, the B6 came out almost 8 years ago and there's still not parts readily available. There will be parts for the B8, but do you have the time to wait? Judging by the fact you currently have a B8, youll be in something new by the time the parts you're looking for come out. The new M5 is going to be coming in AWD and a 6 speed....

[jdmnomore]

Not sure I am reading this correctly. Not sure if you are saying you hope JHM isnt selling B8 owners anymore shifters cause we look like idiots.

And according to that little red box next to my name, I am not well respected on EA as a forum member that owns a B8..... LOL what a joke. I came here on recommendation from my buddy DTMOOO who is the type of person I respect as a B7 owner. His car is awesome. Saki (if all B7 owners are like him) makes them look like BMW tools. I sure hope you guys are more like DTMOOO. Anyway I like my non respect here its not gonna keep me from posting in other parts of this forum. Joey also seems like a cool person. Wonder if he could chime in.

Read again I wasn't addressing you at all and what I stated is pretty clear.

[ENVē]

^Hey now, dont bash BMW guys like that! You know you're loving driving that E60 DTMOOO is a good dude, glad he brought you over here.

You just have to be patient with the S4, the B6 came out almost 8 years ago and there's still not parts readily available. There will be parts for the B8, but do you have the time to wait? Judging by the fact you currently have a B8, youll be in something new by the time the parts you're looking for come out. The new M5 is going to be coming in AWD and a 6 speed....

HAHAHAHA yessir i do love the E60. Only gripe I have with it is all that soft touch material is peeling off everywhere lol. And you are correct I shouldnt group all BMW guys like that. I love bimmers and M division cars and MOST of their owners. But then you have the uber fanboys that dont believe any other company can build a great car. So I take that comment back cause I do love BMWs. Funny you should say that about the new M5.... I was thinking either the RS4 if it gets here or the 550xi with the M-Sport package.... I think Im gonna be test driving one of those in a couple of weeks just to check it out. Im keeping my car probably for another 3 years then gonna give it to the fiancee if she still wants it. I also want to take the 2012 C63 out for shits and giggles. I appreciate what AMG has done with this car and I want to check out the coupe.

DTMOOO I was thinking the same thing... Joker states it best "Why so serious?"

[sakimano]

Im done with the pissing match Saki. I agree to disagree. People have opinions, apologies if mine does not line up with yours. You may have this misconception that I dont like the B7 platform this is incorrect. I just thought for the price I paid on my car it was a MUCH better bang for the buck machine. At the end of the day we are enthusiasts are we not? I love cars and you seem to love cars as well. I dont have one thing against the 4.2 V8 and had my choice of a B7 S4, B7 RS4, and S5.

you agree to disagree about what? You shit-talked a bunch of cars that you know very little about, including the RS4, the RS5 etc. and I pointed out that you're dead wrong. Before that it was a civil thread with JHM customers trying to help you with some insight to their intentions on the platform since you don't want to call/email them yourself.

The only point of this thread from the beginning was to just find out from a person who actually WORKS for JHM to let me know if they would ever work on this motor. That is all.

that's why they have phones and email. They don't spend much time on the forums (you were told that too). try v8@jhmotorsports.com

As you were told earlier from people (customers) who talk to JHM regularly, they aren't really focusing on the B8. They have a shifter, may expand on that a bit with their trio (not sure) and they said they may look at a clutch/flywheel setup since they're doing it for the S5 (not sure if the parts are sharable).

You're the one who turned this into a 'S4/RS4/RS5/3.0 are slow' bullshit fest. You have been antagonistic from the outset, with your first reply after your OP starting out saying I hate the B8 S4. As some other posters showed you, that was just completely unwarranted.

Anyway, where are your timeslips?

[sakimano]

Saki at his best In this thread. I sure hope Joey didn't hope to have B8 owners consider EA cause youre doing a great job of preventing that. Also I hope JHM doesn't plan on selling any more shifters to these guys bc according to you all B8 owners are idiots and JHM doesn't think they are smart enough to recognize a good product. Or am I reading wrong?

jdm you make no sense at all. Just as there is a subset in the B5 world who are ignorant about the capabilities of other platforms, the same thing exists in the B8 world. Nowhere did I say anything about JHM's thoughts about the B8 crowd...I said they tend to avoid these crowded battles and focus on dominating smaller platforms, which is inline with their smaller size than say APR etc.

When someone (like ballz) makes an ignorant comment...

(re: S5, RS4, RS5, B6 A4 3.0) car that was orignally slow from the factory and needs all the help it can get!

...that was intended to provoke an argument even though he's clueless on the topic, I'm going to call him out for it. The B8 guys have a reputation, deserved or not, that they're badly ill-informed about the 4.2 and 2.7T cars and think their car is faster than a jet. Comments like the one ballzdeep made are a great example of where that reputation came from.

From my comments, you somehow jump to the conclusion that:

a) an entire platform will abandon JHM as a tuner (which I have no affiliation with other than as a customer, like you)
b) an entire platform will abandon this web site (which I have no affiliation with other than as a poster like you)

You're something else. Go start a thread in GCC about how upset you are.

[Jay]

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[ENVē]

Saki,

I am not clueless on the 4.2 at all.

Guess you cant read too good. My statements are facts. The 4.2 engine STOCK is seriously slow and underpowered as JHM has showed by making quality parts for you guys, but if little things like intake spacers, correctly made exhausts, and tunes for an NA motor make such a huge difference for your car than it had a shitty (prob cause of regulations) tune from the factory. I have also stated MANY TIMES that I love the b6/b7s and was in the process of purchasing a CPO RS4 before i got my B8. In STOCK form my car is leaps and bounds above your model in STOCK form, which is expected since it is newer. It is leaps and bounds better (so far) than the RS4 would have been for me as well IMO, and it makes me happy. I have a smaller motor with a small blower on it making good power stock and if a company like APR can make a tune that does what it is doing, than I would have like to see what JHM could have done making a true "tune " for the car. Think what you want Saki, at the end of the day Im happy with my car and just was awaiting some quality stuff.

But maybe JHM will work on the next gen RS4 cause that wil be my next purchase. Or maybe I will listen to you and go get a BMW but it will be a 550xi Msport lol maybe a C63 coupe so I can have a nice V8 that puts out raw muscle power (cept I dont like slushboxes so we will see if benz puts there version of DCT in it).


As far as the clutch/flywheel setup, that would be the ultimate money maker for them. This car needs that SO bad!

[jdmnomore]

jdm you make no sense at all. Just as there is a subset in the B5 world who are ignorant about the capabilities of other platforms, the same thing exists in the B8 world. Nowhere did I say anything about JHM's thoughts about the B8 crowd...I said they tend to avoid these crowded battles and focus on dominating smaller platforms, which is inline with their smaller size than say APR etc.

When someone (like ballz) makes an ignorant comment...

...that was intended to provoke an argument even though he's clueless on the topic, I'm going to call him out for it. The B8 guys have a reputation, deserved or not, that they're badly ill-informed about the 4.2 and 2.7T cars and think their car is faster than a jet. Comments like the one ballzdeep made are a great example of where that reputation came from.

From my comments, you somehow jump to the conclusion that:

a) an entire platform will abandon JHM as a tuner (which I have no affiliation with other than as a customer, like you)
b) an entire platform will abandon this web site (which I have no affiliation with other than as a poster like you)

You're something else. Go start a thread in GCC about how upset you are.

The GCC? Isnt that a section on a website you got banned from for being a douche? Anyhow whos upset? I asked if I was reading wrong, fortunately you contradicted yourself as you often do by saying "The B8 guys have a reputation" which I understand may not account for ALL B8 owners but when you word it like that it does. Im sure plenty of B8 owners would take offense to that statement although I know you and I both understand that there are small groups of ignorant owners of all platforms of all makes and models. You just take this shit so seriously, (why I dont know, no life maybe?) that you make these stupid comments everytime CERTAIN aftermarket tuners are mentioned and you sound like such a dick that whoever youre defending loses credibility in the process.

I know JHM is a great awesome company that does wonderful things for whichever platform they touch. I also know they are smart enough to NEVER consider you as a spokesperson for the work they do so please stop making comments like:

"nope. no it won't.

it will come if you drive a 3.0 A4, a 4.2 S5 or a 4.2 RS4 and maybe RS5 though!"

Because if you arent a spokesperson for JHM then how would you know that?

[Jay]

/having AZ flashbacks

[jdmnomore]

/having AZ flashbacks

My point exactly.